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		<title>By: SophieL</title>
		<link>http://urbanhennery.com/2008/05/21/whos-more-sustainable/comment-page-1/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>SophieL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 03:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, I hope I don't come across as a braggert or a martyr. I'm doing this because the idea resonated with me from the moment I heard it. It turned out to be fun as well. I've met some really terrific people and I've been eating some of the best food I've had in my life. I'm learning so many new things (some of which used to be old things, like puttin' by). My blog is a record of my adventures, shared lessons learned, and a database of my sources. I don't live a perfect life and I really don't intend to. It's a shame if this turns into a competition. Why can't everyone be like the people who participate in Laura's challenges?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, I hope I don&#8217;t come across as a braggert or a martyr. I&#8217;m doing this because the idea resonated with me from the moment I heard it. It turned out to be fun as well. I&#8217;ve met some really terrific people and I&#8217;ve been eating some of the best food I&#8217;ve had in my life. I&#8217;m learning so many new things (some of which used to be old things, like puttin&#8217; by). My blog is a record of my adventures, shared lessons learned, and a database of my sources. I don&#8217;t live a perfect life and I really don&#8217;t intend to. It&#8217;s a shame if this turns into a competition. Why can&#8217;t everyone be like the people who participate in Laura&#8217;s challenges?!</p>
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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.  I worry about alienating people because I believe so strongly in our ability to cut our carbon bite by eating seasonally and locally but that is such a small piece of the whole.  These days I'm asking friends what they're doing, being curious and listening.  And they're all doing something which wasn't the case a year or really even six months ago.  But then maybe I hadn't been paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  I worry about alienating people because I believe so strongly in our ability to cut our carbon bite by eating seasonally and locally but that is such a small piece of the whole.  These days I&#8217;m asking friends what they&#8217;re doing, being curious and listening.  And they&#8217;re all doing something which wasn&#8217;t the case a year or really even six months ago.  But then maybe I hadn&#8217;t been paying attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 16:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word! I feel the same way and I have been noticing the "I'm more sustainable than you" migration on green living blogs. It's a journey, which means there is no end point - we can always do more. But we need to recognize even the small steps, like simply recycling, as a very important move in the right direction. We can find inspiration from those earth angels not treading a single carbon footprint, but we also need to be realistic in understanding that the every green living step we maintain is a huge accomplishment for the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word! I feel the same way and I have been noticing the &#8220;I&#8217;m more sustainable than you&#8221; migration on green living blogs. It&#8217;s a journey, which means there is no end point - we can always do more. But we need to recognize even the small steps, like simply recycling, as a very important move in the right direction. We can find inspiration from those earth angels not treading a single carbon footprint, but we also need to be realistic in understanding that the every green living step we maintain is a huge accomplishment for the earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Twinville2</title>
		<link>http://urbanhennery.com/2008/05/21/whos-more-sustainable/comment-page-1/#comment-1260</link>
		<dc:creator>Twinville2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 08:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm just feeling grateful now that someone else seems to have noticed. We've moved away from much of that self-sustainability type popular fad thing. It seems to have become such a competition now and not something folks are doing for personal reasons. Everywhere I go it 'brag, brag, brag' about what 'we do, do, do to live more self-sustainably and not commercialized while buying local. ugh!

Some of these folks are even starting to sound like martyrs, as if they are choosing to be this way at a great sacrifice, but are willing to do it 'to make a difference'.

I'm all for making a difference and trying to live a more simple life with efforts at being more self-sustainable, too. But the self-righteousness, competition, and bragging is a bit much. I agree.

I recently had someone completely cut down and criticize Walmart for their non-local produce and other foods, among other things. They even went so far as to say that all Walmarts should shut down.
Well, here in our rural outpost, Walmart is one of the only good paying jobs that comes with excellent insurance plans. My husband works for our Walmart, and though I don't spend much money there shopping, just having the Walmart around helps us to be more self-sustainable by allowing us to save gas, shop locally, and support our community in taxes and job security.

Not everyone can grow all their own food, create their own heating or driving fuel. But I do think we can all make a difference, even in small ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just feeling grateful now that someone else seems to have noticed. We&#8217;ve moved away from much of that self-sustainability type popular fad thing. It seems to have become such a competition now and not something folks are doing for personal reasons. Everywhere I go it &#8216;brag, brag, brag&#8217; about what &#8216;we do, do, do to live more self-sustainably and not commercialized while buying local. ugh!</p>
<p>Some of these folks are even starting to sound like martyrs, as if they are choosing to be this way at a great sacrifice, but are willing to do it &#8216;to make a difference&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for making a difference and trying to live a more simple life with efforts at being more self-sustainable, too. But the self-righteousness, competition, and bragging is a bit much. I agree.</p>
<p>I recently had someone completely cut down and criticize Walmart for their non-local produce and other foods, among other things. They even went so far as to say that all Walmarts should shut down.<br />
Well, here in our rural outpost, Walmart is one of the only good paying jobs that comes with excellent insurance plans. My husband works for our Walmart, and though I don&#8217;t spend much money there shopping, just having the Walmart around helps us to be more self-sustainable by allowing us to save gas, shop locally, and support our community in taxes and job security.</p>
<p>Not everyone can grow all their own food, create their own heating or driving fuel. But I do think we can all make a difference, even in small ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 04:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all - thanks for not throwing tomatoes.

&lt;strong&gt;Belinda &amp; Shibaguyz&lt;/strong&gt; - I amended my post to reflect that I really meant the web and media in general, not just the blogosphere.

&lt;strong&gt;Belinda&lt;/strong&gt; - you're right, the higher gas prices and rising food prices are bring a bit of the "woe is me" attitude to the front.

&lt;strong&gt;Shibaguyz&lt;/strong&gt; - that's totally the right attitude and exactly how I'm looking at changes that we've made and are making. Every new thing we try is interesting, exciting or fun in it's own way.

&lt;strong&gt;Ali&lt;/strong&gt; - missed the oil embargo but I hear your point.

&lt;strong&gt;Kim&lt;/strong&gt; - exactly! Every little step is important. It's like losing weight - if you focus on the whole goal it's intimidating but if you focus on every small success it's easy!

&lt;strong&gt;El &lt;/strong&gt;- you're right and I definitely self-censor what I say in real life and to a certain extent here on the blog. I don't want to come off as self-righteous or superior because I'm not, but at the same time I'm excited about what we're doing and want to share.

&lt;strong&gt;The Purloined Letter&lt;/strong&gt; - happy to share! Don't get me wrong, we still absolutely believe that we made the right decision for us, but there are real tradeoffs that are hard to see until you're living them.

&lt;strong&gt;Denise&lt;/strong&gt; - yep, that's part of what I'm reacting to I think. I'm maybe I'm just feeling overly defensive that we're not making every change possible all at once. But the feeling of being looked down upon because we eat meat and have to commute to work and still eat things like the occasional orange or California tomato is just a real downer when we should all be working together to encourage others to take the first steps toward change. You know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey all - thanks for not throwing tomatoes.</p>
<p><strong>Belinda &amp; Shibaguyz</strong> - I amended my post to reflect that I really meant the web and media in general, not just the blogosphere.</p>
<p><strong>Belinda</strong> - you&#8217;re right, the higher gas prices and rising food prices are bring a bit of the &#8220;woe is me&#8221; attitude to the front.</p>
<p><strong>Shibaguyz</strong> - that&#8217;s totally the right attitude and exactly how I&#8217;m looking at changes that we&#8217;ve made and are making. Every new thing we try is interesting, exciting or fun in it&#8217;s own way.</p>
<p><strong>Ali</strong> - missed the oil embargo but I hear your point.</p>
<p><strong>Kim</strong> - exactly! Every little step is important. It&#8217;s like losing weight - if you focus on the whole goal it&#8217;s intimidating but if you focus on every small success it&#8217;s easy!</p>
<p><strong>El </strong>- you&#8217;re right and I definitely self-censor what I say in real life and to a certain extent here on the blog. I don&#8217;t want to come off as self-righteous or superior because I&#8217;m not, but at the same time I&#8217;m excited about what we&#8217;re doing and want to share.</p>
<p><strong>The Purloined Letter</strong> - happy to share! Don&#8217;t get me wrong, we still absolutely believe that we made the right decision for us, but there are real tradeoffs that are hard to see until you&#8217;re living them.</p>
<p><strong>Denise</strong> - yep, that&#8217;s part of what I&#8217;m reacting to I think. I&#8217;m maybe I&#8217;m just feeling overly defensive that we&#8217;re not making every change possible all at once. But the feeling of being looked down upon because we eat meat and have to commute to work and still eat things like the occasional orange or California tomato is just a real downer when we should all be working together to encourage others to take the first steps toward change. You know?</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 17:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hit on a topic that has been bothering me since we went to the Seattle Green Festival.  It -should- have been an awesome place to get ideas and enjoy the multitude of options available. Instead, I came home feeling distinctly looked down upon because I wasn't vegan, because we use biodiesel in our car (?!?!?), and so many other little ways that "they" are better than "we" are.  Ugh.  

I get that there is an ideal place to be, someday, but I don't at all get looking down on the people who are taking any of the myriad little steps that lead from here to there.  Anything anyone can do to reduce any of their impact should be celebrated, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hit on a topic that has been bothering me since we went to the Seattle Green Festival.  It -should- have been an awesome place to get ideas and enjoy the multitude of options available. Instead, I came home feeling distinctly looked down upon because I wasn&#8217;t vegan, because we use biodiesel in our car (?!?!?), and so many other little ways that &#8220;they&#8221; are better than &#8220;we&#8221; are.  Ugh.  </p>
<p>I get that there is an ideal place to be, someday, but I don&#8217;t at all get looking down on the people who are taking any of the myriad little steps that lead from here to there.  Anything anyone can do to reduce any of their impact should be celebrated, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: The Purloined Letter</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Purloined Letter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm so glad you are going to have this discussion.  We're really thinking about moving to a farm away from our very urban home--and while our thinking has more to do with some other things, we keep flip-flopping on the sustainability issue.

And DITTO to El!  Some days I am full of thinking and talking about what I have done myself--not really meaning other people should make those choices, but it must come across that way.  Other days, I'm almost embarrassed and talk almost exclusively about non-personal things.  Funny: I don't feel nearly as weird about bragging about knitting or cooking as I do about talking about parenting or sustainability....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad you are going to have this discussion.  We&#8217;re really thinking about moving to a farm away from our very urban home&#8211;and while our thinking has more to do with some other things, we keep flip-flopping on the sustainability issue.</p>
<p>And DITTO to El!  Some days I am full of thinking and talking about what I have done myself&#8211;not really meaning other people should make those choices, but it must come across that way.  Other days, I&#8217;m almost embarrassed and talk almost exclusively about non-personal things.  Funny: I don&#8217;t feel nearly as weird about bragging about knitting or cooking as I do about talking about parenting or sustainability&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: El</title>
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		<dc:creator>El</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a ton of blogging is "Look What I Can Do," and I guess I am okay with all that navel-gazing.  I agree it's a fine line, but the one thing you brought up many times in this post, Laura, is choice.  If there's one thing I would like to stress to everyone is we at least HAVE a choice to do certain things, or not do them.  I'm concerned of course that people who have the luxury of choice are not choosing to do enough, quickly enough, but then that's just me.  I actually have stepped way far away from talking about all the reductions we have made because I do feel I am moralizing, or can be perceived of being high-minded!  Maybe we should at least try to not preach but just act...and hope we've nudged people to consider their own lifestyles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a ton of blogging is &#8220;Look What I Can Do,&#8221; and I guess I am okay with all that navel-gazing.  I agree it&#8217;s a fine line, but the one thing you brought up many times in this post, Laura, is choice.  If there&#8217;s one thing I would like to stress to everyone is we at least HAVE a choice to do certain things, or not do them.  I&#8217;m concerned of course that people who have the luxury of choice are not choosing to do enough, quickly enough, but then that&#8217;s just me.  I actually have stepped way far away from talking about all the reductions we have made because I do feel I am moralizing, or can be perceived of being high-minded!  Maybe we should at least try to not preach but just act&#8230;and hope we&#8217;ve nudged people to consider their own lifestyles.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 11:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right-o, Laura!  This is exactly the kind of thing that I think makes people believe that moving toward sustainability is hopeless, so why bother at all...it can't be all or nothing.  

Baby steps, people, baby steps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right-o, Laura!  This is exactly the kind of thing that I think makes people believe that moving toward sustainability is hopeless, so why bother at all&#8230;it can&#8217;t be all or nothing.  </p>
<p>Baby steps, people, baby steps!</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 11:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Shibaguyz, I hadn't noticed this, either.  Its too bad, because I think you are right, Laura, that righteous attitude is a big turnoff.  Remember the 70's oil embargo?  (Well, maybe you don't.)  Good thoughtful post.

Ali</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Shibaguyz, I hadn&#8217;t noticed this, either.  Its too bad, because I think you are right, Laura, that righteous attitude is a big turnoff.  Remember the 70&#8217;s oil embargo?  (Well, maybe you don&#8217;t.)  Good thoughtful post.</p>
<p>Ali</p>
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